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The Underneath

(Eingestellt am 13. März 2024, 14:01 Uhr von vitaminz)

This is a collaboration with juggler. Please leave a comment if you enjoyed it (or want a hint!).
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RULES:

NON-NORMAL SUDOKU - Place the digits 0-8 once each in every row, column, and 3x3 box.

RENBAN - Digits on a pink line form a non-repeating consecutive set in any order.

SECRET GRID - There is a secret grid behind the normal grid, which is also a valid sudoku using the digits 0-8, with Renban lines in exactly the same places as the normal grid. Digits in the secret grid are equal to the digit in the corresponding cell in the normal grid plus that cell's row and column numbers, mod 9. "Mod 9" means that you take the remainder of that number after it is divided by 9. Equivalently, it is the result you get after subtracting 9 until the number is less than 9. For example, there is a 5 in r5c1. In the secret grid, there must be a (5 + 5 + 1) mod 9 = 2.

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A suggestion: It is possible to solve this puzzle by opening a blank grid and constructing the secret grid alongside the main grid. This may even be easier than the intended path. However, I strongly advise against this, as I believe it will result in a rather tedious solve. If you are stuck, I have provided some hints below, with each line getting more specific.

Training: If you would like to try the secret grid constraint in a smaller puzzle, I have created a 5x5 Latin Square (sudoku without regions) that includes that constraint:
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Below are some hints in hidden text if you would like them (highlight the white space to see them). They get progressively more explicit. They would also help with the Latin Square.

I've told you not to construct the secret grid, but it is a very important constraint.

If there were no renbans in the puzzle, I would never have to calculate a digit in the secret grid to solve it.

Try to reframe the secret grid constraint in terms of features of the main grid only (ignoring renbans).

Positive diagonals (from bottom left to top right) are very important. Particularly within boxes.


Watch Marty Sears and ThePedallingPianist



And check out a very different method in my solution guide

Lösungscode: Row 1 (top), from left to right (9 digits)

Zuletzt geändert am 21. März 2024, 18:32 Uhr

Gelöst von Abbott Abbott, juggler, nuzzopa, kublai, MadHypnofrog, SKORP17, Abdul the Killer, ThePedallingPianist, SamuPiano, QuiltyAsCharged, Mutx
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am 21. März 2024, 18:07 Uhr von vitaminz
Added video and solution guide links

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am 16. März 2024, 17:19 Uhr von SamuPiano
Wonderful puzzle! Took me a while to wrap my head around the secret grid, but it is truly an original concept and perfectly executed!
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Thank you so much! -VitaminZ

Zuletzt geändert am 15. März 2024, 16:06 Uhr

am 14. März 2024, 23:35 Uhr von Abdul the Killer
Beautiful puzzle guys, bravo! The secret grid rule is beautifully bonkers. Your advice was invaluable. I await more with anticipation.
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Thanks, ATK! You may be waiting a while but we'll see if more inspiration strikes -VitaminZ

Zuletzt geändert am 13. März 2024, 20:22 Uhr

am 13. März 2024, 20:18 Uhr von kublai
Once I got comfortable with my notation, the secrets unraveled rather nicely. Lovely puzzle!
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Thank you for the kind comment! -VitaminZ

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am 13. März 2024, 14:41 Uhr von Abbott Abbott
There is some truly graceful logic in here that was incredibly satisfying to discover. Thank you for the advice on the secret grid! It is definitely more fun to not construct it.

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Thank you! It took a while to fit all the pieces together so I'm glad you found the intended discoveries :) --VitaminZ

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