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Not that filled thermo - rush, mercury, rush

(Eingestellt am 28. Januar 2021, 13:08 Uhr von bigger)

Standard sudoku rules applies. Fill the grid with numbers from 1 to 9 so each digit occurs exactly once in every row, column and 3x3 box.

Standard thermometer rules applies. Digits on the thermo's mercury increase from the bulb. Not every thermo has mercury.

However, the mercury doesn't go all the way. It must start from the bulb but not necessary reach the end. There can't be air bubble between mercury cells inside one thermo. Numbers outside the grid indicate the mercury cells in that row/column.


This puzzle is made by Old Miles from China in 2017. Disclaimer: I wouldn't know where 2017 ideas comes from. I only know some of them. So if you actually find the original source, please let me know so I would add it in.

This one might be easy, but the translation is annoying. Old Miles didn't think of posting it here so he use a taoism name for this. It serve both as a name and a description of the rule (like my name can be a name or a adj.) There is just no way I could do that. So I ask for a rename. Sorry for the late post (as if anyone cares my posting routine)

Lösungscode: The mercury number of row 1 and 7, column 3 and 9 (21 digits)

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am 29. Januar 2021, 01:33 Uhr von bigger
Something to be clear here. Just because you solve on penpa or f-puzzle doesn't mean we solve it on them too. We use drawing.
Also, if anyone wants to solve the puzzle in their own rule, fine by me, But stop saying it's bad because you solve it your own way. I can solve a kropki with only white dots, so the author who adds black dot is bad? Nobody ever learn anything from n-sum right?
Last, not everybody like a tight solution path, like me. I think it's too narrow to be reuse elsewhere. So the puzzle I post usually have several break in or an easy break in. Don't expect a 5 star difficulty rule or puzzle from me.

am 28. Januar 2021, 18:11 Uhr von Dandelo
With the correct clues it worked. The idea is very natural to combine thermometers with thermo sudoku. My notation was not optimal. I found no easy way to change the unused thermometer parts in penpa.

am 28. Januar 2021, 18:09 Uhr von SudokuExplorer
Thanks for the fun puzzle! Very enjoyable logic :-)

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am 28. Januar 2021, 17:20 Uhr von Dandelo
But the thermometer puzzle would be
https://git.io/Jtlsy (I just removed the sudoku elements)
and this has no solution.

EDIT: Ok, I had a wrong clue in my puzzle...

am 28. Januar 2021, 17:14 Uhr von Dandelo
If I understand it correctly, you can write it like the following (standard rules copied from the puzzle wiki):

First solve it as a standard thermometer puzzle. Then solve it as a standard thermo-sudoku, where the thermos only consist of the filled parts of the thermometers.

Standard thermometer rules: In the diagram thermometers are shown. Fill them, starting at the circled end, such that the numbers at the borders give the number of filled fields in that row or column. The thermometers may also be empty.

Standard thermo-sudoku rules: Place a digit from 1 to 9 into each cell so that no digit repeats in any row, column, or bold region. The digits in the bent thermometers must be strictly increasing in each cell from the bulb/reservoir to the end.

am 28. Januar 2021, 17:02 Uhr von zlotnleo
f-puzzles link: https://f-puzzles.com/?id=yxhaj42g

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am 28. Januar 2021, 16:26 Uhr von SudokuExplorer
A shorter name could be "Mercurial Thermo Sudoku"
***bigger: That's a interesting name. But It won't sound fun in Chinese and I think I only know thermo with mercury, so it's kind of weird saying mercurial thermo. A good clickbait but I want to see some of the original name in it. So it's that

am 28. Januar 2021, 16:19 Uhr von SKORP17
unverständliche Regel

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am 28. Januar 2021, 16:18 Uhr von SudokuExplorer
Can a thermo be empty (have no mercury)? I like the idea!
Edit: Just reread the rules, and it can be empty

am 28. Januar 2021, 16:09 Uhr von bigger
Add some exposition, hopefully it's clear

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am 28. Januar 2021, 15:46 Uhr von Dandelo
I already get a contradiction in the thermo puzzle without considering the sudoku numbers or the increasing thermos.
***bigger: So, where? I did not found that

*** Dandelo: If I understand it correctly, it is a standard thermometer puzzle, when you ignore the sudoku areas and the numbers inside the grid.

As in https://www.janko.at/Raetsel/Thermometer/index.htm .

But already this has no solution, I think.

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