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Can't Spell Index Without X (with ChinStrap)

(Published on 10. March 2025, 18:16 by sujoyku)

ChinStrap and I love to explore interactions of Index Lines and various other constraint types. This time, we have chosen X-sums along with them. We thank all testers and wish you joyful solving!

- Normal sudoku rules apply, i.e. each row, column and 3x3 region has to contain the digits from 1 to 9 once each.

- Index Lines: Each turquoise line is an Index Line, i.e. the digit in the Nth cell along such a line (starting from the diamond) indicates the position along the line where the digit N appears. For example, if a diamond cell contains a 3, the third cell along that line must have a 1.

- X-sums: Clues outside of the grid are X-sum clues, i.e. the numbers indicate the sum of the first X digits in the respective row or column where X is the first digit seen from the clue. An odd/even clue only indicates the parity of the respective X-sum.

Here you can solve the puzzle online:

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Solution code: Row 8 from left to right (9 digits in total)


Solved by SKORP17, Elliott810, ChinStrap, Piff, jalebc, cg24, Notlob, wuc, SirWoezel, mihel111, keesh, Arlo Lipof, redgecko, Joyofrandomness, sfield, sandmoppe, MontanaPearl, Kversten, aakas, erml, ... timww572, gsansone, pepe74287, benisjammin, MaxSmartable, BlackApolloX, Lenivaya_Joppa, Carolin, siliciousreese, zrbakhtiar, jklimp, Selsted, h5663454, chinesemaster, Calvinball, k2u5as, Shamalom
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Comments

Last changed on 23. April 2025, 00:45

on 23. April 2025, 00:36 by Lenivaya_Joppa
Thank you for this very nice puzzle, dear sujoyku and ChinStrap! :)

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You are much welcome, Lenivaya_Joppa, thank you for your comment! We are glad you enjoyed the puzzle.
Kind regards, sujoyku

Last changed on 14. March 2025, 20:12

on 14. March 2025, 19:55 by dzamie
You guys are getting me to start really liking Index Lines! I found this to be more of a 3*, though that might have to do more with my inexperience with both rules. Still, after a fair bit of puzzling stuff out, it all solved really well. I enjoyed that both the X-sums and Index Lines stayed relevant until just about the end, rather than being quickly marked off and turning into a standard sudoku afterwards.

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Thank you for your comment, dzamie! We love to hear you are warming up to the Index Lines. (Probably not a huge surprise, they are a favourite constraint of ours.) Regarding difficulty, we initially uploaded it as 3 stars, but it might be somewhere around 2.5. In any case, we are glad you enjoyed the puzzle.
Kind regards, sujoyku

Last changed on 11. March 2025, 20:46

on 11. March 2025, 17:42 by Franjo
Sehr schöne Kombination! Dieses fabelhafte Puzzle zu lösen hat großen Spaß gemacht. Vielen Dank dafür.

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Sehr gern geschehen, Franjo, vielen Dank für deinen freundlichen Kommentar! Wir freuen uns, dass Dir die Kombination aus X-sums und Index-Linien gut gefallen hat.
Herzliche Grüße, sujoyku

Last changed on 11. March 2025, 20:45

on 11. March 2025, 14:57 by Visumation
Very nice. Really nice flow. I second @Snookerfan on difficulty. 12 min. for me. But definitely rated it very nice. Thanks a lot guys. Great fun.

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You are much welcome, Visumation, thank you for your comment! We are glad you had a fun solve.
Kind regards, sujoyku

Last changed on 11. March 2025, 20:44

on 11. March 2025, 10:36 by Snookerfan
Very nice and smooth as usual! I rated it as easy because of the relatively quick solve time, although one x-sum clue was probably a bit harder to use. Thank you

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You are much welcome, Snookerfan, thank you for comenting! We are glad that you liked the puzzle. Concerning difficulty, one could maybe argue if it should be 2 stars, 3 stars or somewhere inbetween those. Thanks for sharing your take.
Kind regards, sujoyku

Last changed on 11. March 2025, 20:42

on 11. March 2025, 09:02 by TheNineElements
Solve Time 66:28

I rated this 3/5 difficulty.

Really nice puzzle! It was trickier than I expected, but was overall enjoyable and interesting to work through.

My solve time was definitely on the longer end for 3* puzzles, and the puzzle logic felt like a harder 3* puzzle. I think I could have solved this puzzle a bit quicker if I didn't take a break mid-solve, but it would've taken me around 60 minutes regardless, which matches up with hard 3* puzzles for me.

The break-in was really interesting and I definitely liked how the logic bounced from one clue to the next. In the early phase, I felt like I "worked backwards" to make deductions that led to decent progress, and the interactions between the seemingly unrelated rules/clues made for a memorable solve. The break-in felt somewhere around 2-3* difficulty.

I got pretty stuck in the early midgame (after placing a few digits/pencilmarks), and I ended up spending nearly 40 minutes on the 8-length index line, making only small deductions and not placing any digits. I wasn't totally idle during that time, but all the deductions/eliminations I made were very minor and it took a long time to whittle down some cells until I finally placed more digits. The deductions were actually quite complicated (tracing logic across several different clues around the grid, figuring out how multiple x-sums interacted with each other and with the index line), and felt like a high 3*-low 4* level of difficulty. I'm not sure if I should have started elsewhere to have a more straightforward solve path, but in the end I was able to work out several digits on that line. I suspect there is a simpler "trick" or deduction (that I missed), which would have made me progress much quicker through the solve - but I didn't really make an effort to look for it because I was making consistent progress (albeit slowly). I didn't even look at the 20 x-sum clue during that time, but looking back, I feel like I totally ignored logic that arose from that area of the puzzle until I had already spent a long time on the other line & x-sums.

Once I made some big progress on that line, the remaining lines & puzzle logic was much more approachable and felt around 2* difficulty. Even though several parts of the puzzle were approachable/straightforward, the difficulty in the early midgame definitely tilted my overall rating to 3*.

Overall, this was a great puzzle! Definitely worth solving if you have the time to work through it!

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Thnk you for your detailed feedback, TheNineElements! We are glad that you enjoyed the solve.
Kind regards, sujoyku

Last changed on 11. March 2025, 01:29

on 11. March 2025, 01:25 by aqjhs
you really can't spell index line without "×Chinstrap" :D

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And if you could, you shouldn't. :)
Thank you for your comment, aqjhs!
Kind regards, sujoyku

Last changed on 10. March 2025, 23:28

on 10. March 2025, 23:24 by lootyloot
I love these index lines puzzles. This puzzle was so smooth and enjoyable that it felt like a 1-star sometimes. Thank you

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You are much welcome, lootyloot, thank you for commenting! We are glad you had an enjoyable solve.
Kind regards, sujoyku

Last changed on 10. March 2025, 22:27

on 10. March 2025, 21:14 by sfield
I really liked how the simple rule set lead to a varied dynamic. Well done.

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Thank you for your comment, sfield! We are glad you liked the dynamics introduced by these constraints.
Kind regards, sujoyku

Last changed on 10. March 2025, 22:26

on 10. March 2025, 20:38 by wuc
Very smooth clever puzzle thx.

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You are much welcome, wuc, thank you for comment! We are glad you enjoyed it.
Kind regards, sujoyku

Last changed on 10. March 2025, 20:02

on 10. March 2025, 19:52 by cg24
perfekt wie immer :) ihr seid wirklich ein ganz tolles Team und eure Rätsel machen durchweg einfach nur Spaß

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Danke für deinen Kommentar, cg24! Wir freuen uns, dass Dir unsere Rätsel Spaß machen.
Herzliche Grüße, sujoyku

Last changed on 10. March 2025, 19:31

on 10. March 2025, 19:07 by ChinStrap
Lovely working with you as always :)

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Thank you, ChinStrap! Setting a puzzle with you always means happy setting. I hope we get to collab many more times in the future.

Last changed on 10. March 2025, 19:30

on 10. March 2025, 18:54 by Elliott810
Brilliant puzzle with a very smooth solutuion path! Thank you:)

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You are much welcome, Elliott810! We are glad you had a smooth solve.
Kind regards, sujoyku

Difficulty:2
Rating:95 %
Solved:150 times
Observed:6 times
ID:000MCV

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